S3C 2013-05-05 05:04:30

So because, there is no melody, means it's not music?

So would you say a snare drum solo isn't music because there's no composed melody?

although technically that isn't true, all music has pitch (otherwise, you wouldn't be able to hear it) and therefore has a melody. Rapped vocals are melodic, just in a more subtle way than general singed lines. In the same respect, rap in general tends to be more rhythmically complex than singing.

On the other hand, lyrics isn't music. It's the sound (whether spoken/rapped or sung) that makes it music.

The amount of difficulty it takes to rap and/or sing is entirely personal and means nothing when trying to classify music.

BuffRagDoll 2013-05-05 05:35:10

Music has no truly universal definition. The closest definition to universal is that music is the organization of sound, typically through manipulation of pitch and rhythm. Instruments are commonly used, but not required.

Rapping can be spoken word, or singing. Rap keeps a beat, whether or not music is playing, and the very condition of keeping a beat, a rhythm, is universal in most genres of music.

That you have such a limited definition of music and no understanding of genre you've attempted to describe leads me to wonder why you would bother making any statements on the subject at all.

What do you actually know about instruments, what do you actually know about rap? Something you heard on the radio? I happened to catch some rugby off an Indian channel, that doesn't qualify me as knowledgeable about rugby or India.

BuffRagDoll 2013-05-05 05:38:32

And no, messing around with garageband doesn't qualify you either.

LazyBucks 2013-05-05 06:50:59

The definition of music is the artform whose medium is sound and silence.

Your whole "argument is juvenile and reads like some kid with a grudge". If you stand in front of me and say the word apple for three minutes you can consider it music. Its you expressing yourself through sound, thats music.

Music is so much deeper then you blatantly can understand or are willing to understand.
Theres a famous piece of music by John Cage called 4'33. Its 4 minutes and 33 seconds of utter silence.
I'm assuming someone with a narrow view on things like you literally would just mock this but its a ridiculously famous piece of music.

What makes music music is a individual thing. You can't put down entire genres because you simply can't understand it. Calling rap music easy is also a incredibly bold and dumb statement.
Maybe you'll understand a bit when you grow up and can think more realistically rather then childishly objectively.

Sol 2013-05-05 23:30:07

Guys,

Rap I will never consider as music, no matter what you'll say. There is no specific definition of music, for we all have our opinion.

Rapping with out background music=not music. But, singing without background music IS music. That is my point.

I'm a singer, rapping would be super easy for me. I'm also a composer, lyricist, producer...

S3C 2013-05-06 02:44:23

"Just because it has pitch doesn't make it a melody."

I'll accept that, but I was just using that to make a point. So you wouldn't consider a drum solo to be music then?

"A melody is the first thing that catches your ears"

purely subjective. go tell that to a percussionist.

"When something that doesn't pop out in a song means it's not the melody."

again what pops out to you in a song is entirely subjective, as are a lot of the things you say.

"The melody is the thing that singers sing, you can't rap a melody."

Attentively listen to rap..unless if you're tone deaf, it's pretty obvious they aren't "speaking" in a monotone voice. I would be happy to transcribe a rap and show you that there is an order of pitches...even so, refer to point #1: You wouldn't consider a snare drum solo music because there is no composed melody?

If your just expressing what you as a person feel is music, not on an objective basis, then that's completely fine, you don't need to justify yourself, I could say I don't think orchestral compositions are music because they don't connect with ME on an emotional level. But your reasons are not well founded, and your declarative statement about "not being able to rap a melody" is entirely wrong.

Cyberdevil 2013-05-07 06:51:30

Since you say 'Rap I will never consider as music, no matter what you'll say.', there is no reason for me to attempt to tell you wrong. You are wrong, but that's my opinion, and as with everything fact is relative, all fact is based on belief, without trust there is no evidence, and without fiction there is no fact, but even without fact there is plenty of fiction, so what is true? Is anything in our existence universally justifiable? Correct, is just a synonym, right is just a word, belief is based on personality.

S3C 2013-05-11 21:52:20

Then I can reciprocally say that you "are brainwashed with classical music that you would think that you wouldn't connect with a rapper. I say if you don't connect with at least a Tupac song, than you're really not a music person." Neither of us would be wrong, because such words are just opinions in an endlessly subjective field.

an opinion, which I personally haven't mentioned anything about mine. I never said "rap IS music" or that I disliked orchestral music (again just examples for the sake of argument) and truthfully I couldn't care less what your opinion is- what I do care about however, is the reasoning and logic behind what you say. And if you're going to make a blog post, ask for input, yet continue to completely ignore any points of refutation, you are just going to be perceived as ignorant and possibly as a troll.